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hey everyone welcome back to another

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video blog my name is mike i host this

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channel obedient videos also hosts a

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podcast our big dumb mouth you can check

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us out at our big dumb mouth calm and in

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this video blog I'm going to be talking

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about comic books art of life liberty

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the pursuit of happiness all that stuff

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I'm just kind of kind of rambling

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haven't done a vlog in quite a while and

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turned out why not let's do it tonight

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I'm not doing anything I have the week

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off work and want to talk about some of

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the stuff I found to my parents house in

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the basement uh my stuff that I bought

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when I was in my mid-teens this is back

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in nineteen ninety to ninety nineteen

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ninety three when I first got into come

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books very heavily it was as I was

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probably a freshman sophomore in high

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school and every Friday myself my friend

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Mike my friend Phil and Nick we would

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all go up to kenmore comics and we would

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buy whatever comment cuz I came out that

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day and they all said that the major

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players we had DC that that had stuff

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coming out every week and then you had

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the Marvel and I want I bought all those

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comics and I loved them like here's what

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I that I got the the the new Fantastic

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Four featuring spider-man Hulk Ghost

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Rider and Wolverine about that i love

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all like them big players and you know

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during that time period of the the early

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90s a lot of the major comic book guys

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that were working for Marvel and DC

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people of gimli Rob Liefeld and God

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McFarlane they split off and they

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started their own comedy company called

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image and image put out spawn the savage

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dragon Wildcats

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Youngblood and Rob Liefeld was the UH I

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i guess the default spokesperson for

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image at a certain point in time the the

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comp about young blood I think was the

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first number 1 million selling calm

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poking in history correct me if I'm

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wrong but they also put out stuff like

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like this blood wolf maybe if you take a

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look through this it's plastic Rob

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Liefeld artwork which if anybody doesn't

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know Rob Liefeld is known for

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exaggerated Anatomy um he can't draw

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thumbs very well and he does draws women

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in various objectively and very

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suggestive poses but I mean if you look

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at it there's there's some there's some

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actual real cool art going on in here

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and this comp of blood wolf number one

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might take some what I might take avoid

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what he was trying to do in here he was

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trying to capture a little bit of his

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character Deadpool which was owned by a

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Marvel and a little bit of cable lots of

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lots of geo super all-powerful guy and

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just tried to reimagine those characters

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that some of the characters it created

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over marveled at image and they did a

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lot of crossovers back then too like

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least within the Marvel Universe there's

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like a the x factor and x-men crossovers

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execution of song back in like 92 93

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they cross over multiple different

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complex but usually within the same

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company but I believe this this one this

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image death neat it's called death you

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see it's this it's a glossy cover you

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see how shiny it is death mate was I

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believe an image yeah and a valiant a

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comp a company crossover so image common

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image comics and valiant comics got

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together said hey let's take our comic

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book characters and put it together and

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you know write a nice story and and

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I guess it looks it's okay but look it

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put some of this stuff ters character

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called die hard and this is really

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exaggerated and look at that thumb you

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see a Rob Liefeld thumb up there it's

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curled over and it's it's awful like I

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like the guy you know it gets a lot of

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online but actually I had to

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respect them and like them as an artist

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and a writer very fun stuff I don't know

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the story is like looking back and I've

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been trying to go back and read through

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some of the stuff and I don't know if

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it's any good it seems like two little

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mediocre at times at least with some of

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this stuff not a very big fan of that

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stuff and but this is what was coming

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out every week and so every every Friday

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I'd be picking up more garbage not I

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guess I didn't have good taste at the

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time in comic books cuz I didn't know

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what was good and what wasn't i bought

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the big names that were coming out you

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usually can rely on Silvestri definitely

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Gimli all the stuff he did and in

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McFarland you could rely on those names

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and they would crank out a good book

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there'd be a good story and you kind of

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knew what you were getting but as I as I

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started to read more and more comics I

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wanted something a little different and

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I also started drawing comics myself I

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at the age of 13 I started doodling near

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in there and and I thought it was nice a

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nice way to pass the time I had no

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expectations of doing compost

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professionally because I didn't think

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was possible I just doodled on my own

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and that was kind of happy Oh with that

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and I want to go into some complications

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and I grew up in the kin Akron area

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that's in Ohio and there was a small

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combo convention going on and I forget

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who i went with but i remember going

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there and there were some local comic

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artists that I put out their own comic

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books locally this wasn't a big name

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behind these guys they were dissolved

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doing it themselves and the first one

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the first light I think major purser

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made like a meat like a say major the

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first local compact I picked up was this

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this was this is called gumbo and EC

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signed it at the bottom er Aaron Archer

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1993 to even did like a little right

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there a little doodle for me a little

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doodle for me and you look through it

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it's his pure black and white it

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actually is fairly reminiscent of of

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like bone I don't know if you're

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familiar with the comic comic book bone

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but that's really like kind of

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reminiscent of that in style and he put

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out by Aaron Archer put out a couple

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different ash cans of gumbo I was a huge

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fan of his drawing style in the fact

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that he was a local person like me he

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was some guy from Akron couple years

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older than me and he was able to get it

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done and then he finally put out a

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full-fledged comic book and it's just

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absolutely amazing this is a great cover

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it looks fantastic the story is good um

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it's got really dynamic like

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black-and-white artwork it's just

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everything I wanted a complete it was

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done very well he means if you take a

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look take a look at like just a bit like

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like did that black and white

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illustration right there of that monster

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running versus what rob liefeld did like

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in blood wolf like a black and white

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version every time it looks

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better it's a just for whatever reason

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they'd stuck with me and I even got the

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issue to right there it stuck with me

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and when I when I met Aaron he's very

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supportive I would you know write

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letters to them like I'm a

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fanboy yes so he had to do back there

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and I don't think I don't think he had

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an email I mean back in 1992-93 email

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was there but I didn't know too much

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about it

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and so he had the right letters the

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old-fashioned way and he would give me

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recommendations on where to start like I

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told him I'm in the car tuning I I like

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the idea I want to create a comic book I

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think he gave me some supporting words

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of wisdom and I tried to try to carry

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through I started drawing more and more

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i would take my artwork and drawings to

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other comic book conventions and enter

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enter my artwork into contests and I

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would lose cuz I'm not that good I knew

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it I knew I wasn't good at I knew as

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soon as I entered the contest as soon as

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I laid my work down I knew despite

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looking at one or two of the other

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pieces up there the other competitors

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that I was I was not gonna win pull my

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art work out I let it go up there and be

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judged and you know I lost all the time

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I will not like a strong like compo

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cards not I just know I didn't have that

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natural knack of of drawing gestural

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really quick explosive kind of like

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dynamic characters like an archer or

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live tall Gimli or already got anybody

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like that um I just didn't have it and I

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but I still like to draw I still like to

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die still like to draw complex for for

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me I I continued on to do that at the

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same time you know there were a couple

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of my friends James and Matt they

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started to the get together and draw

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their own own compak and they actually

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figured out how to put out one called

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city nights and it's black and white and

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you take a look through it you know it's

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it's pretty interesting it's cool you

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know I was really proud of these guys

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for doing it James Westbrook's live her

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down the street for me instead of Matt

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and so they wouldn't get together and

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draw i would i would bug him in you know

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see what they're working on and and you

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know try to

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you know I know I'm enough to have them

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take a look at my work and give you

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suggestions I think they put out one

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issue of this just I think as a test run

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to see how would go and and I was uh I

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was kind of blown away that thing that

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they did that and I was like well

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they're gonna do it these guys down the

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street are gonna put out one why the

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hell can't I why can't I put out my own

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combo it might be so I didn't know

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I didn't know how to one the word

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apprenticed off to how to even really

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properly inc a comp book had no idea all

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i could do is emulate what I was seeing

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we had no idea about panels if they

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should be a certain size I didn't know

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about proper layout word bubbles uh if

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there was any sort of illustrator tools

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the graphic design tools I could use for

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shading because it wasn't just cross

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hatching or dot I don't know i just i

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just kind of like emulating what I saw

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on paper and hope and pray for the best

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and I produced and we have a drink for

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this who i produce a comic book right

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here now as you can tell this is

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non-standard compo you know format I

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think the standard format is like 11 or

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eight and a half by 11 this is like a

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square format I didn't take the time to

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you know do prime the proper

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measurements there I figured that out

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and the titles horrible it is called

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guru the Scottish table leg of doom with

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his a buddy over here quince nib and

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it's about a evil pair that gets sent to

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hell uh one of which is a Scottish table

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leg of doom and I had a good deal of fun

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drawing this you know it's all black and

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whites all we could do back then

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I think I i got this printed at kinkos I

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remember taking the big the big panels

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in to kinkos and explaining to them what

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I wanted I think I was I need to take a

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look at the copyright date on this I did

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to a copyright date because she has it

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was very important back then to to cover

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it all your stuff yes this is a 1993 at

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the very bottom there so I was probably

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a freshman in high school freshman or

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sophomore and I kind of figured it out

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as I went along I think I might print up

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like 20 of these and I went over to my

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friends house again the guy who Chris

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seaman who put out this comic the

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Sorcerer's chamber and he put up this

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and we were the same age went over the

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to show him that he kinda you know I

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don't know if he like the artwork I

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think he appreciated my hard work that I

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put into it and my determination and so

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I mean he was doing you know some pretty

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good work at the time this guy had a

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really strong sense of composition

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layout storytelling which is something

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that I I am still trying to learn but

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then he also had this giant intro this

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endure this this inset this big poster

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here was actually drawn by Aaron Archer

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the guy he did the gumbo comic book and

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but you could tell this guy knew what he

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was doing and really interesting stuff

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was going on and this guy blew me away I

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wound up going to art school with this

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guy and I could tell like so when we

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were freshmen in art school I looked at

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his stuff and I looked at myself I was

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like whoa it felt the same way when I

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entered those are competitions add the

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compo conventions I felt as though I was

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gonna lose automatically I knew it this

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this guy from a very young age was

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drawing and producing very high quality

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pieces of of our comic storytelling

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composition everything he knew it I was

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a goddamn when it comes to

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drawing art and producing stuff like I

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can get things done obviously I can

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produce something but is it out as good

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as this no it's not I knew that it's not

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but I persevered and tried Christon and

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now christina is a fairly renowned

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illustrator for wizards of the west

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coast he does stuff for a D&D Magic the

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Gathering he's a very very good

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illustrator and I'm very proud of him

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i'm glad that he actually pursued art

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and is doing a full time and has been

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very successful I have I don't feel bad

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that I'm not as good as him I mean I

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guess a little i did a little bit but

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that's just a little raw natural talent

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can take you a long way but if you don't

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have the drive to carry on your talent

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ain't gonna do chris is one of

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those rare people where he had the

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talent and the drive to actually get

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things done now Aaron arch of the guy

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who was the guy you did gumbo I believe

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he's once he started he once he got out

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of college I believe that he started

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working for Mattel the the toy

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manufacturer and I believe he is a lead

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design toy designer over there and he

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worked on some of the spawn stuff with

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mcfarland I think he also designed some

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of the new Transformers series of toys

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he became very successful I don't think

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he's doing illustration or complex

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anymore but he stole involved in art and

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by producing toys for four people I

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think I'm like the only one that

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actually graduated from CCAD

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and did art for a little bit night I

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have given it up like doing

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professionally I I now work in IT my

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main focus is Python and JavaScript and

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and putting a web sites and doing

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automated solutions and co deployments

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and server configurations I only

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recently like within the past two days

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picked up a pen and pencil started

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drawing cartoons again with no

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expectations of it being remotely good

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and I'm not like a horrible it was

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traitor I'm just not topped here I know

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that I have no illusions about that and

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I knew when I graduated I graduated with

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a degree Chris the guy who did this

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convict and the guy who works for

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wizards of the West Coast he was

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actually an illustration made major in

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in college I was what they term was I

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was a time-based media studies major

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meaning I my focus was on hand drawn

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animation video editing and interactive

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design that was more of a computer nerd

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kind of guy and you know it I was drawn

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always drawn to the more technical

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aspects of producing our work rather

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than the more fine art qualities of it I

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was not good at figure drawing at all

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sucked at it took it for years i could

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probably draw a figure but i just didn't

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have that raw natural ability to draw

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the figure it was only in probably

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within the past 10 years that i actually

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really started to understand color and

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color concepts I'm a pretty dense

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individual when it comes to that kind of

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stuff I like to learn I just don't learn

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very quickly another person that was

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pretty influential in the akron can

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complexing if you want to call it that

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the comic book seen an acronym can in

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the early 90s was Robert cross or Bob

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cross he put out he had a comp a company

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or called rak press I believe you are a

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kid graphics and he put out stuff like

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thunder maze I also put out shikon the

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forever man which was probably one of

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the biggest books that he put out

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um it was a very interesting compak it

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was basically an undead guy who carried

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to like a Tata Sabres that have awesome

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hat and a very interesting kind of kind

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of character and he actually I think

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sold the rights and made a video game

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with that character for the second

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Genesis back in the 90s and to see like

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something like that happened for a

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person in the akron canary i was i was

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blown away i was i felt privileged to

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even be living within 20 miles of people

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doing this quality of work and I my

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friends Brian you know you eat

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everything out again he would try a new

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rob Bob cross pretty well and this is a

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kind of stuff they did really really

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strong stuff and you know Brian

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introduced me to these guys and intercom

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pokes and I always liked them never got

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a chance to meet him until the year like

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2003 of Rob cross or not rob cross Bob

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cross because it is Robert Rob Bob Bobby

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cross was that at a combo convention and

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role-playing convention down here in

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Columbus Ohio and it's like no I'm gonna

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take the time to actually go meet this

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guy and I did actually took in my

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portfolio not at the time of my

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portfolio was all stripped graphic

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design and like kind of like history art

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kind of stuff this really insane kind of

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stuff that's looked at it and we talked

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we chit-chatted for quite a quite a

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while very nice guy very supportive i'm

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just doing anything artistically and

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bullshitting constructive criticism and

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i was very appreciated to look towards

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towards Bob I liked everything he does

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and you know I gotta look him up and see

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if he's still drawing hopefully is he

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was pretty good one of the up we go

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around take out your art to another

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artist and ask for feedback it's fairly

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important that they're honest they can

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say this is don't do this or then

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they won't say and say well why

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don't you use a different color here or

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why is it laid out like this or why

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don't you go ahead and push these colors

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a little further there's not much for

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gram

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there's no background is everything is

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this kind of the same it so it's

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important to get that kind of criticism

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when when you're an artist and you're

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doing it and I sought it out from

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everyone I could obviously i sold it out

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from an archer Chris Eamonn rubber cross

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and I did have a sheriff area the guy

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didn't obey giant take a look at my

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portfolio in 2001 he was very nice as

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well the very supportive gave me a good

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pieces of advice especially what I can

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when it comes to color he gave me some

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really good good points for color just

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have yourself we work with a limited

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palette first and once you master using

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three or four colors and didn't go ahead

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and introduce more don't try to do too

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much too fast that's what he said i

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stoled I still done do art I school make

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kanal art I makeup you know the

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thumbnails for this YouTube video and

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all the other stuff that I do for this

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YouTube channel and while I don't make

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money on the bar anymore I gave up doing

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graphic design about five years ago

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professionally I just didn't like doing

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corporate graphic design anymore my

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heart wasn't in it and you can make a

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lot more money working in IT and there's

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yes oh no answers to your program work

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yes great No okay go back and make it

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work with art and graphic design in the

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corporate world you might think you have

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a great design you might think you have

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a great layout but it's to a manager or

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marketing director who maybe didn't go

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to our school they're gonna rip your

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piece apart and you're gonna do it all

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over again how annoying I don't want to

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do with that anymore I'm gonna be

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drawing complex again with you will

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maybe maybe a comic strip let's we've

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all said my uh my eyes a little lower

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here how do i do one panel first I'll do

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a one panel far side comics trip kind of

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thing if I can get that done let me go

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make a combo all right well thanks for

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listening to me babble hopefully this is

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informative I love all those complex and

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this is just like one fistful a complex

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have whole box up there for